What makes Netflix’s The Punisher so good, and so troubling, at the same time? Can you tell a story about the evils of guns and violence, while glorifying gun violence? And can anyone explain the concept of collateral damage to Karen? Special guest Jessica Plummer joins Jacob and Matthew as we dive into these questions and more.

Jessica is a writer, podcaster, and superhero obsessive. She’s written about the Punisher here and here. You can find her on Twitter, or follow her Superman movie podcast, Flights and Tights.

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